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it comes out of the debt ceiling deal in 2011 and it was the backup to the supercommittee. and way it was designed, it was originally supposed to be half taxes and half spending cuts. so both sides would be terrified of letting it happen, and because they were so terrified of letting it happen, they would come to a deal. the point of the sequester was to get the two sides to a deal. but republicans wouldn't allow tax increases, even in the sequester. and so they made this weird deal with democrats. and they said, okay, the sequester has to be all spending cuts. but because we're not giving you any taxes, they can mostly be spending cuts you don't mind and that we really hate. so half of the sequester, a full half of it is defense. that is a huge, huge cut to defense. but it's actually worse than that for republicans. medicaid is completely protected from the sequester. social security, completely protected. most low-income programs, completely protected. medicaid beneficiaries, completely protected. veterans benefits, completely protected. pell grants, completely protected.
it comes out of the debt ceiling deal in 2011 and it was the backup to the supercommittee. and way it was designed, it was originally supposed to be half taxes and half spending cuts. so both sides would be terrified of letting it happen, and because they were so terrified of letting it happen, they would come to a deal. the point of the sequester was to get the two sides to a deal. but republicans wouldn't allow tax increases, even in the sequester. and so they made this weird deal with...
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ceiling crisis. we are looking at a long set of crisis here and trying to figure out how we will fund the government again beginning at the end of march. the sequester that supposed to go into effect. all of the administration is talking about how can we spend more money. what we saw is that it gave proof that our economy is depending too much on government spending. that our economy is living on borrowed time. also borrowed money. it feels like we have been drinking coffee in order to stay up all night. we know that is not sustainable. it is not sustainable for us to continue to borrow at this rate. we will start to see our economy contract if we don't get things under control. we have to address the fiscal matters anyway to cut spending. otherwise it is going to be even worse. charles: you started to talk about this. it feels like the economy ultimately has a price to pay. >> home ownership levels are dropping in this country. rentals are up. people are choosing not to own a home home anymore. also
ceiling crisis. we are looking at a long set of crisis here and trying to figure out how we will fund the government again beginning at the end of march. the sequester that supposed to go into effect. all of the administration is talking about how can we spend more money. what we saw is that it gave proof that our economy is depending too much on government spending. that our economy is living on borrowed time. also borrowed money. it feels like we have been drinking coffee in order to stay up...
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debt ceiling is you cannot borrow, so you have to balance the budget tomorrow. in addition to that, there was the kind of not very real threat that we might default on the national debt or postpone payments, o you're playing with a combination of a big fiscal contraction and the possibility of triggering a financial crisis also. lori: i want to ask you about your book. after the music stopped, but about the financial crisis, to a dozen 7-8. looking back, said always 2020, what were the best actions taken by the federal government and the worst? >> at think there were three. in net you a tie for first? >> you know how tv works. >> one was tart. very unpopular, but effective and turn a profit for the taxpayer. second was the stimulus that we were just talking about. could have been better. was not a perfect stimulus bill, a pretty good given the political constraints. third, what almost no one ever talks about, the bank stress test. to me the banks stress test and this compared pedestrian 2009 was the equivalent of the fdr bank holiday. once was over people felt t
debt ceiling is you cannot borrow, so you have to balance the budget tomorrow. in addition to that, there was the kind of not very real threat that we might default on the national debt or postpone payments, o you're playing with a combination of a big fiscal contraction and the possibility of triggering a financial crisis also. lori: i want to ask you about your book. after the music stopped, but about the financial crisis, to a dozen 7-8. looking back, said always 2020, what were the best...
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plus, the debt ceiling simply says we're not going to pay our bills. it just is illogical to say that's to pay for that. that's like going out and incurring costs which all of us did, republicans and democrats together, and then saying oh, and by the way, i'm not going to pay my bill unless you do me this enormous favor. but the other point i would make is this. he talks about, we need tax reform. the biggest single abuse in the tax code today, and it's a tough contest, is the one that says the richest people in america who run hedge funds can treat their earned income as if it were a capital gain. they call it carried interest. >> yeah. >> it means the rest of us are carrying them. and we voted to reduce that. and paul ryan boxed it. he is against that. and if you remember from that interview, he did not give a single specific about a tax break he wants to end, and he talked about cutting entitlements. >> he is up front saying no more revenue. i mean, that's their position on that. now, they've backed off the debt limit. now they're backing off a gove
plus, the debt ceiling simply says we're not going to pay our bills. it just is illogical to say that's to pay for that. that's like going out and incurring costs which all of us did, republicans and democrats together, and then saying oh, and by the way, i'm not going to pay my bill unless you do me this enormous favor. but the other point i would make is this. he talks about, we need tax reform. the biggest single abuse in the tax code today, and it's a tough contest, is the one that says the...
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ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way you get majorities right now is the democrats pick off republicans and leave the rest of the republicans out in the cold. if i were republican i would not be very happy right now. >> you mentioned the democrats have been through periods like this in the past. then along came bill clinton, for example. he nudged the party toward the center. the democrats started winning some elections. do you think if you take a look at what's going on with republicans from your side of the aisle that maybe something like that is going to be necessary in order for the republican part
ceiling, whether it comes to chuck hagel or immigration reform. what do you think about all of that? >> well, it's funny. i am an old democrat as they say. so i remember the days when the republicans were all united. we democrats would get in a circle and start shooting inward. there was a sense in which everything has changed in the opposite way. you have got a very united democratic party standing toe-to-toe with the president. and you have got republicans bitterly divided so the way...
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that pushes the debt ceiling to may 18th. the back end of number of cliffs upcoming in the calendar. look here at the government deadlines the congress and white house are facing right now. first, march 1st are the automatic spending cuts known as the sequester. they begin to hit the federal budget. that is something that takes place over the course of the year and is gradual. march 27th, that is when government spending runs out. or a large chunk of it. if there is no agreement on that, that could shut down the federal government. you're looking at debt ceiling all the way on may 18th. congressional aides saying treasury is telling them pause of extraordinary measures they can use, this pushes the debt ceiling day back to sometime this summer perhaps if this is a bill that clears congress and the senate is going to consider it the next couple of days and likely it does pass of the because the debt ceiling is pushed off and the next real fast deadline is march 27th, that government spending deadline, analysts say that increas
that pushes the debt ceiling to may 18th. the back end of number of cliffs upcoming in the calendar. look here at the government deadlines the congress and white house are facing right now. first, march 1st are the automatic spending cuts known as the sequester. they begin to hit the federal budget. that is something that takes place over the course of the year and is gradual. march 27th, that is when government spending runs out. or a large chunk of it. if there is no agreement on that, that...
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once again finds itself locking horns with republicans over the issue of raising the debt ceiling. the amount of money the nation is legally allowed to borrow. >> oh, yeah. when it comes to raising the debt ceiling, the president is having a hard time getting it up. >> brian williams does such a good job slow jamming. that's going to wrap things up for me today. i'm going to see you tomorrow, 11:00 a.m. eastern. joining us richard bloomen thaul and debbie wasserman schultz and david ciciline and mayor greg stanton of phoenix. you should have seen the way it was spelled in my prompter. you should have seen it, alex. you can't. you know? they try to make things easier for me, and then i just mess it up. now with alex wagner coming up next. don't go anywhere. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why s
once again finds itself locking horns with republicans over the issue of raising the debt ceiling. the amount of money the nation is legally allowed to borrow. >> oh, yeah. when it comes to raising the debt ceiling, the president is having a hard time getting it up. >> brian williams does such a good job slow jamming. that's going to wrap things up for me today. i'm going to see you tomorrow, 11:00 a.m. eastern. joining us richard bloomen thaul and debbie wasserman schultz and david...
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ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never argue with the market. it's kind of stupid to do that. i think you would be run over by a train if you bet against it right now. >> heather: gary kaltbaum joining us. thank you so much. we appreciate your insight as always. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> gregg: so he gave us the barney cam. remember that, and he was by president bush's side throughout his eight years in the white house. what the former president is now saying about his beloved scottish terrier. yeah the barney cam. >> heather: hours before the big game
ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never...
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and certainly, anything that washington does as we saw with the first debt ceiling negotiations, anything that washington does that adds to the uncertainty certainly doesn't help the economy. so i think most people would like to see these people sort of get their act together before the deadline, hopefully. >> well, in fact, senator roy blunt just blamed uncertainty. let me play that. >> uncertainty is probably even a greater problem than contraction. if we knew what the government spending was going to be with some certainty, that would be better than this constant not knowing. we're on the 60-day clock and then on the 90-day clock. we need to get on a four and five-year clock. and that's why a budget and appropriations bills will make a difference, chuck. >> what are the chances, michael, of those things happening? >> well, you know, i think a long-term solution doesn't look very practical right now. and one reason is that members of congress like mr. blunt, republicans, are -- i think that it's more important not to give more ground on taxes than it is to create certainty. so i think e
and certainly, anything that washington does as we saw with the first debt ceiling negotiations, anything that washington does that adds to the uncertainty certainly doesn't help the economy. so i think most people would like to see these people sort of get their act together before the deadline, hopefully. >> well, in fact, senator roy blunt just blamed uncertainty. let me play that. >> uncertainty is probably even a greater problem than contraction. if we knew what the government...
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there's the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling. now the sequester. i mean, we're now talk about perhaps $85 billion in spending cuts in 2013 if they don't get their act together on the sequester. that's pointing exactly in the opposite direction. so the fed is kind of setting the table but not getting the support from the congress on the fiscal side. >> so given the looming debt ceiling limit here, this week on morning joe the "new york times" economist argued why the u.s. should spend now and worry about deficit reduction later. here it is. >> dashing spending when you still have depressed economy is really destructive. it's probably even counterproductive even in purely fiscal terms. we should be sustaining government spending until we have a stronger economic recovery. >> this is not a hard call. as long as we have 4 million people who have been unemployed for more than a year, this is not a time to be worrying about reducing the budget deficit. give me something that looks more like a normal employment situation and i'll become a deficit hawk but
there's the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling. now the sequester. i mean, we're now talk about perhaps $85 billion in spending cuts in 2013 if they don't get their act together on the sequester. that's pointing exactly in the opposite direction. so the fed is kind of setting the table but not getting the support from the congress on the fiscal side. >> so given the looming debt ceiling limit here, this week on morning joe the "new york times" economist argued why the u.s. should...
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the debt ceiling, which does not one thing to add to the budget deficit. not one nickel of spenning, it's agreeing to pay the bill. we waited seven months and threaten ord credit rating. the american people are sick of that. they want action. they want their taxes low, as we just saw happen reinly in avoiding the fiscal cliff -- which came as i might add through bipartisanship. the republicanses came through with the table to what obama proposed and he compromised with raising it to the $4,000 level. that's the action that people want to see. >> speaking of our president, he said during obamacare, oh, you're premiums wouldn't be raised. sorry, david. that's exactly what we are seeing -- >> when 2014 comes along -- [overlapping dialogue] >> americans are not able to keep their health insurance. another thing the president promised. >> i have to say, after an absence of david being out, with personal issues and health issues, we are glad to see you back. >> it's a pleasure to be back. >> happy to have you both. >> a bus transporting a philadelphia youth grou
the debt ceiling, which does not one thing to add to the budget deficit. not one nickel of spenning, it's agreeing to pay the bill. we waited seven months and threaten ord credit rating. the american people are sick of that. they want action. they want their taxes low, as we just saw happen reinly in avoiding the fiscal cliff -- which came as i might add through bipartisanship. the republicanses came through with the table to what obama proposed and he compromised with raising it to the $4,000...
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but let's assume because the debt ceiling doesn't kick in till august, i believe that's what we'll have, but let's add these together. let's say you're right, 30 billion. but let's -- jobs overseas, we can dial that however we want because it's all -- a huge loss of revenue, corporate jets, tehre are all kind of things that are low-hanging fruit. >> you've heard the republicans across the board here. they're saying they're done with revenues for 2013. >> george, the american people are on our side. the american people don't believe in these austere things. we believe that the rich should contribute. we believe we should fill those tax loopholes, get rid of them, i should say, and that's where we need to go. >> but that's a debate that's been had, as you know, for the last couple of months, last couple of years and doesn't appear it will get solved next month so the sequester will hit. >> george, that's what they said two or three days before the fiscal cliff. no revenue. well, we got about $700 billion in revenue. there's still more we can do. >> are you saying that for -- to lift the s
but let's assume because the debt ceiling doesn't kick in till august, i believe that's what we'll have, but let's add these together. let's say you're right, 30 billion. but let's -- jobs overseas, we can dial that however we want because it's all -- a huge loss of revenue, corporate jets, tehre are all kind of things that are low-hanging fruit. >> you've heard the republicans across the board here. they're saying they're done with revenues for 2013. >> george, the american people...
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we've had the debt ceiling suspended, another budget baths to go through. so investors, businessmen and even individual investors and consumers are still somewhat haunted by what's happening in the nation's capital. >> and if we could put the markets gain back up, we had seen it go above 14,000 earlier this morning. it's -- >> right there. >> right there, right now. okay. so this hasn't happened since '07. >> early october, the all-time high, 14,164. standard & poor's, 1465. we're within striking distance of both. and that's a good sign. the stock market is performing well. the bond market is performing as expected, if the economy is recovering and so are other markets. and the indicators i look atom as, actually quite positive. none showing signs of strain, the future economic prospects better than the past. so for now markets are tell us things are all right. that may change sometime in the future but looks good at this at the moment. >> and ron made fun of my ravens -- >> absolutely. >> see this? ravens-theme note paper. >> running wild over these guys.
we've had the debt ceiling suspended, another budget baths to go through. so investors, businessmen and even individual investors and consumers are still somewhat haunted by what's happening in the nation's capital. >> and if we could put the markets gain back up, we had seen it go above 14,000 earlier this morning. it's -- >> right there. >> right there, right now. okay. so this hasn't happened since '07. >> early october, the all-time high, 14,164. standard &...
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. >> where were these debates during the debt ceiling? i feel there are no relationships across the aisle. this is, they shouldn't do things so -- >> some relationships in congress -- >> they're doing things so fast, this is setting an excellent precedent for the rest of the agenda. >> the latino voteler flee you. >> thank you. >> in you don't resolve this and take, say a year, the next three years to court that latino voter you'll be in a similar position. >> there's no doubt republicans have not done a good job communicating to latino voters and i will say that, but let me say this, the thing that republicans have to do is seize upon this opportunity to get something done, to show the country that we can work together in a bipartisan fashion, that is what's happening. if we want to see it on the debt ceiling it starts by these things where we can agree, where we can move things forward and as mary said which was a good point, dear, that the president can make the tone, either he can create a battle on this or he can try to bring people
. >> where were these debates during the debt ceiling? i feel there are no relationships across the aisle. this is, they shouldn't do things so -- >> some relationships in congress -- >> they're doing things so fast, this is setting an excellent precedent for the rest of the agenda. >> the latino voteler flee you. >> thank you. >> in you don't resolve this and take, say a year, the next three years to court that latino voter you'll be in a similar position....
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we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by the question. in defense of molly's story and washington is getting better. that was not about dysfunction of washington, the two of them just do not like each other. that has nothing to do do with the broader things washington. the issue matrix is changing a bit. what we with saw in 2009 and 2010, when health care and economy were on the table, those are where the parties are fundamentally divided. that is going to be true. but the immigration, there's not the same divide with them. so it's not a polarizing issue with john kerry. part of the reason we are seeing less dysfunctio
we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by...
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i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't passed a budget in four years. there is a fundamental inability for congress to do their job. you are supposed to pass a budget by april 15. you are supposed to reconcile all those bills by october. that hasn't happened in four years. instead we've had this crisis atmosphere where things are passed in the middle of the night and nothing gets done. >> we only look at law makers records as they pertain to gun related issues. the numbers in the house and numbers of the senate haven't changed so much from the previous congress but there are faces tha
i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't...
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in terms of the debt ceiling deal, the fiscal cliff, the bipartisan senators who came together on immigration, which, aga again, that's kind of a rope thing in washington, d.c., but it's been absent for the last couple of years. when george w. bush was elected, no child left wind was a top domestic priority and you had a kind of gang of eight style thing. >> no child left behind just didn't happen. bush reached out to ted kennedy, and you worked the issue and -- >> sure. they worked on the recovery act. they want today recovery. >> they didn't work on the -- >> yes, they did. >> it was one of those ludicrous republican myths that obama didn't reach across the aisle. and ma myth is so foundational to a lot of republican thinking and i'm guessing to you and i it seems so divorced from reality that it's hard to even engage with, right, the idea that obama didn't attempt to genuinely attempt a bipartisan governing style. >> you can call it a myth. i think the proof is in the pudding. i think that this -- >> so you blame obama for the fact that there's this -- >> listen, i'm in politics. i think m
in terms of the debt ceiling deal, the fiscal cliff, the bipartisan senators who came together on immigration, which, aga again, that's kind of a rope thing in washington, d.c., but it's been absent for the last couple of years. when george w. bush was elected, no child left wind was a top domestic priority and you had a kind of gang of eight style thing. >> no child left behind just didn't happen. bush reached out to ted kennedy, and you worked the issue and -- >> sure. they worked...
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it's nice that we had at least a temporary reprieve on the debt ceiling so that it's not fiscal crisis day-in and day-out and we are talking about some other issues that are important. immigration, gun violence. ists to talk about the political dimension of those. come from calf, i have working on the immigration reform and the border problem for 25 years about it looks leak the time has finally, come for this legislation to happen this year. >> politically, is this the time when it could happen? >> yeah. i think it is the time i also think the structure in washington is difficult for the following reason. 1994, he was at the democratic congressional campaign committee. i got sent to help speaker tom folley in a tough race. he was very sure you his support of the assault weapons ban cost him 9,000 votes from people who would always be for him and across the more splinterred districts in the house places where guns you can't get past this. you can't have a rational conversation with people because it's more like religion. there are people who can stop whatever big bill you have going be
it's nice that we had at least a temporary reprieve on the debt ceiling so that it's not fiscal crisis day-in and day-out and we are talking about some other issues that are important. immigration, gun violence. ists to talk about the political dimension of those. come from calf, i have working on the immigration reform and the border problem for 25 years about it looks leak the time has finally, come for this legislation to happen this year. >> politically, is this the time when it could...
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if republicans had time to this issue and said, you know, were not going to raise the debt ceiling unless at a certain amount of cuts, they would've caved in the end, would've been disastrous, much like what the fiscal cliff and i think boehner and right together did a very nice job convincing republicans that you can't govern from the house, but sure to be careful about getting into these high-profile, high-stakes, last-minute negotiations with the president. it worked in the white house, i worked in three administrations. they have a tremendous institutional at vantage in this kind of bias. i think what republicans have to do is avoid these sites come at the straps the democrats and president obama are laying, provide an alternative to passing legislation, just to show them this is how we recover if we have the powers of the presidency and the senate and to be careful and frankly the rougher edges republicans sometimes have. >> host: some republicans aren't happy sr is moving ahead. >> guest: i think if they had gone ahead, it would have been cataclysmic for the republican party. i say
if republicans had time to this issue and said, you know, were not going to raise the debt ceiling unless at a certain amount of cuts, they would've caved in the end, would've been disastrous, much like what the fiscal cliff and i think boehner and right together did a very nice job convincing republicans that you can't govern from the house, but sure to be careful about getting into these high-profile, high-stakes, last-minute negotiations with the president. it worked in the white house, i...
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>>gretchen: you say forget the debt ceiling, forget the fiscal cliff. we have a demographic cliff, meaning that we have more older people now to sustain in our society and not enough young people coming up to keep the balance? >> right. that's what happens when you're below the replacement period for a long period of time. you have many more old people, fewer young people to support them. then you have to make choices. do you cut defense, cut benefits for the older people, do you raise taxes on workers? it winds up in a very bad situation. >>gretchen: let's look at the american family size. in the blue line, you're going to see, this is zero to two kids. that's been on the rise. in the red it's three-plus kids, which has been on the decline. i'm in the blue. i have two kids. you're currently in the red. you have three kids. but people having bigger families obviously for a variety of reasons is just not happening. >> it's harder. it's harder for all sofrts of reason -- sorts of reason. take, for instance, college. we are expanding educational opportunit
>>gretchen: you say forget the debt ceiling, forget the fiscal cliff. we have a demographic cliff, meaning that we have more older people now to sustain in our society and not enough young people coming up to keep the balance? >> right. that's what happens when you're below the replacement period for a long period of time. you have many more old people, fewer young people to support them. then you have to make choices. do you cut defense, cut benefits for the older people, do you...